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	<title>Comments on: New Mac Laptops Use Batteries Sealed for Power</title>
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		<title>By: Mac Laptop News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; News: &#8220;Batteries in new Mac laptops offer &#8220;excellent&#8221; results&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac Laptop News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; News: &#8220;Batteries in new Mac laptops offer &#8220;excellent&#8221; results&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Batteries in new Mac laptops offer &#8220;excellent&#8221; results on Apple Hot NewsTopics: MacBook Pro, MacBook [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mac OS X Tip: Changing the application used to open files &#124; modtheiphone.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac OS X Tip: Changing the application used to open files &#124; modtheiphone.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How do the batteries in the new MacBook Pro laptops measure up? Walt Mossberg (ptech.allthingsd.com) wanted to know, so “using my own harsh battery test,” he assessed the performance of new 13- and 15-inch MacBook Pro models. “The results,” he reports, ”were excellent. These two new Apple laptops scored among the highest battery lives between charges of any laptop I have ever tested.” Continue to read more&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] How do the batteries in the new MacBook Pro laptops measure up? Walt Mossberg (ptech.allthingsd.com) wanted to know, so “using my own harsh battery test,” he assessed the performance of new 13- and 15-inch MacBook Pro models. “The results,” he reports, ”were excellent. These two new Apple laptops scored among the highest battery lives between charges of any laptop I have ever tested.” Continue to read more&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I have multiple reasons to be interested in this review.
1. I&#039;m an independent Apple engineer in the UK.
2. I&#039;m a very long term mac user, since 1987.
3. I&#039;m a very heavy laptop user, partly because I need it for my work and partly because since wifi got fast enough and reliable enough I use my MacBook Pro 20 times as much as I do my desktops.

I bought my MBP just over a year ago and am already on my second battery and will shortly be buying my 3rd. The cycle count on this battery is 396 and condition is now only &#039;fair&#039; so it is, to all intents and purposes not fit for use as it will only give me about 80 mins use.
If that was the case with a sealed battery I would be killing it in just over a year, that&#039;s a very long way off the 5 years claimed by Apple.
I also travel a lot to Hong Kong and LA which means I have 12 hour flights to contend with.
Unless I fly business class, which I don&#039;t, there is no power in the seats and even if I did, I&#039;m not sure that the power in the seats is enough to take the 85w chargers needed for the MBPs. The Macbooks only use 65w so they wouldn&#039;t be an issue.
I would be grateful for the extra battery power but would be forced into replacing the battery regularly, not an issue for me of course, provided I can get hold of them, but the ability to pop in an extra battery is something that I will miss... and when I used to travel with my iBook I used to carry 2 spares!
Like all generalisations there are ALWAYS going to be a number of people who fall outside them, I just happen to be one of them on this issue. There are a number of alternatives that can supply additional power but they are, quite frankly, ridiculously expensive and I wouldn&#039;t entertain them, I&#039;d rather watch the movies in-flight instead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I have multiple reasons to be interested in this review.<br />
1. I&#8217;m an independent Apple engineer in the UK.<br />
2. I&#8217;m a very long term mac user, since 1987.<br />
3. I&#8217;m a very heavy laptop user, partly because I need it for my work and partly because since wifi got fast enough and reliable enough I use my MacBook Pro 20 times as much as I do my desktops.</p>
<p>I bought my MBP just over a year ago and am already on my second battery and will shortly be buying my 3rd. The cycle count on this battery is 396 and condition is now only &#8216;fair&#8217; so it is, to all intents and purposes not fit for use as it will only give me about 80 mins use.<br />
If that was the case with a sealed battery I would be killing it in just over a year, that&#8217;s a very long way off the 5 years claimed by Apple.<br />
I also travel a lot to Hong Kong and LA which means I have 12 hour flights to contend with.<br />
Unless I fly business class, which I don&#8217;t, there is no power in the seats and even if I did, I&#8217;m not sure that the power in the seats is enough to take the 85w chargers needed for the MBPs. The Macbooks only use 65w so they wouldn&#8217;t be an issue.<br />
I would be grateful for the extra battery power but would be forced into replacing the battery regularly, not an issue for me of course, provided I can get hold of them, but the ability to pop in an extra battery is something that I will miss&#8230; and when I used to travel with my iBook I used to carry 2 spares!<br />
Like all generalisations there are ALWAYS going to be a number of people who fall outside them, I just happen to be one of them on this issue. There are a number of alternatives that can supply additional power but they are, quite frankly, ridiculously expensive and I wouldn&#8217;t entertain them, I&#8217;d rather watch the movies in-flight instead!</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Mossberg on MacBook Pro’s sealed in batteries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Mossberg on MacBook Pro’s sealed in batteries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gerritt Dunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerritt Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The auto analogy doesn&#039;t do anything for me. Neither does the minor PC/MAC cost flame war. The Dell Adamo referenced here has similar technology incorporating an internal battery.  After 30 seconds of of Google and 5 minutes of review, this does do something for me: http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/13/dell-adamo-review/ 
Worth a read if this URL doesn&#039;t offend the WSJ-ATD with a competitor&#039;s review site. Consider if this review addresses this article&#039;s lack of an honest comparison or alternative viewpoint an astute shopper would want when considering a purchase decision of similar cost products. This post is relevant as this article offers up these specific technology comparisons and also cost issues as worthy of note; an unfortunate wondering off topic in my opinion.

What I would really like to see is a full blown comparison in cost and technology between &#039;like&#039; models of laptops, Mac vs anyone else. Case construction, Processor(s), hard drive, RAM, Port/slots, Video, maintenance plan costs/term and what is covered, internal component quality breakdowns. Even beyond to the OS: how much cost, how often updated, how frequently replaced with a new GUI. Security concerns. Include W7 and Snow Leopard. Review/compare legitimate bundled SW, and exclude the Demos. Cross reference functions like backups, ease of making WiFi connections, how much basic OS knowledge the end user needs to make (relearn) to make the computer function; the kinds of issues that would affect a TCO and the end user experience over years of ownership. Just the facts, no color commentary.

Where\when has this been done? I&#039;ve looked long and hard but haven&#039;t come up with anything close.  Even trying to accomplish this across many blogs and various HW review sites is a frustration. Both camps provide entertaining ads and articles, but not the details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The auto analogy doesn&#8217;t do anything for me. Neither does the minor PC/MAC cost flame war. The Dell Adamo referenced here has similar technology incorporating an internal battery.  After 30 seconds of of Google and 5 minutes of review, this does do something for me: <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/13/dell-adamo-review/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2009/0.....mo-review/</a><br />
Worth a read if this URL doesn&#8217;t offend the WSJ-ATD with a competitor&#8217;s review site. Consider if this review addresses this article&#8217;s lack of an honest comparison or alternative viewpoint an astute shopper would want when considering a purchase decision of similar cost products. This post is relevant as this article offers up these specific technology comparisons and also cost issues as worthy of note; an unfortunate wondering off topic in my opinion.</p>
<p>What I would really like to see is a full blown comparison in cost and technology between &#8216;like&#8217; models of laptops, Mac vs anyone else. Case construction, Processor(s), hard drive, RAM, Port/slots, Video, maintenance plan costs/term and what is covered, internal component quality breakdowns. Even beyond to the OS: how much cost, how often updated, how frequently replaced with a new GUI. Security concerns. Include W7 and Snow Leopard. Review/compare legitimate bundled SW, and exclude the Demos. Cross reference functions like backups, ease of making WiFi connections, how much basic OS knowledge the end user needs to make (relearn) to make the computer function; the kinds of issues that would affect a TCO and the end user experience over years of ownership. Just the facts, no color commentary.</p>
<p>Where\when has this been done? I&#8217;ve looked long and hard but haven&#8217;t come up with anything close.  Even trying to accomplish this across many blogs and various HW review sites is a frustration. Both camps provide entertaining ads and articles, but not the details.</p>
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		<title>By: Apple News &#187; Walt Mossberg on MacBook Pro’s sealed in batteries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple News &#187; Walt Mossberg on MacBook Pro’s sealed in batteries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gary Bibby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Bibby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ steven thomas

I took up your challenge, i found a review of the Kia Amanti outscoring a BWM 5 series in crash test (we dont have Amanti in UK).  I also found a UK review based on 30,000 various owners questionnaires which put the Kia Cee&#039;d as more reliable than a VW golf and BMW Mini, shame you dont have Cee&#039;d in US, I have a Kia Pro_Cee&#039;d sport hatch (It&#039;sreally rather good, I part exchanged a mercedes C for it) and a unibody Macbook 2.4ghz.  I choose all my purchases on real value for money, not just cost or quality alone.</description>
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<p>I took up your challenge, i found a review of the Kia Amanti outscoring a BWM 5 series in crash test (we dont have Amanti in UK).  I also found a UK review based on 30,000 various owners questionnaires which put the Kia Cee&#8217;d as more reliable than a VW golf and BMW Mini, shame you dont have Cee&#8217;d in US, I have a Kia Pro_Cee&#8217;d sport hatch (It&#8217;sreally rather good, I part exchanged a mercedes C for it) and a unibody Macbook 2.4ghz.  I choose all my purchases on real value for money, not just cost or quality alone.</p>
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		<title>By: MacBook Pros Sealed Batteries Perform Well : EveryJoe - Sports News - Tech Reviews - Entertainment - Life Tips for EveryJoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacBook Pros Sealed Batteries Perform Well : EveryJoe - Sports News - Tech Reviews - Entertainment - Life Tips for EveryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] According to Walt Mossberg who had the chance to test both the 13 and 15 inch MacBook Pro and put it through the paces of his own battery test, both laptops performed well. The 13 inch lasted a slighty below the 5 hour mark while the 15 inch was 21 minutes above the 5 hour marker. This says well considering no power saving feature was turned on and the screen brightness was cranked up. In normal usage, expect battery life to be even slightly higher. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] According to Walt Mossberg who had the chance to test both the 13 and 15 inch MacBook Pro and put it through the paces of his own battery test, both laptops performed well. The 13 inch lasted a slighty below the 5 hour mark while the 15 inch was 21 minutes above the 5 hour marker. This says well considering no power saving feature was turned on and the screen brightness was cranked up. In normal usage, expect battery life to be even slightly higher. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Review: Sealed-In Batteries in New Apple MacBook Pros &#124; NexGadget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Review: Sealed-In Batteries in New Apple MacBook Pros &#124; NexGadget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Review: Sealed-In Batteries in New Apple MacBook Pros &#124; Walt Mossberg &#124; Personal Technology &#124; AllThi.... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mike welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slight tangent: I just ordered a new MacBook Pro and I will probably use it most at home.  So I plan to keep it plugged in rather than let the battery run down and then recharge.  I&#039;ve heard different advice about this, which will preserve battery life the best?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slight tangent: I just ordered a new MacBook Pro and I will probably use it most at home.  So I plan to keep it plugged in rather than let the battery run down and then recharge.  I&#8217;ve heard different advice about this, which will preserve battery life the best?</p>
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